Why do you not kill animals...? It's just a cow made of rectangles.. GET. OVER. IT.
Fair question. The game is immersive: some people get startled by spiders and endermen made of rectangles; I sympathize with the imaginary animals that aren't hurting anyone. When possible, I find it more fun to act kind of like myself in games (Minecraft, Zelda, Final Fantasy, etc.).
Oh, ok then. I guess we'll have to make books out of cobblestone.
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To all of you people who think Notch is still working on the game, he stopped working on Minecraft in late 2011. Get your facts straight and stop spamming his twitter about Minecraft updates.
Fair question. The game is immersive: some people get startled by spiders and endermen made of rectangles; I sympathize with the imaginary animals that aren't hurting anyone. When possible, I find it more fun to act kind of like myself in games (Minecraft, Zelda, Final Fantasy, etc.).
Fair question. The game is immersive: some people get startled by spiders and endermen made of rectangles; I sympathize with the imaginary animals that aren't hurting anyone. When possible, I find it more fun to act kind of like myself in games (Minecraft, Zelda, Final Fantasy, etc.).
Because it's not a "challenge", it's a time sink. Creating a cow farm is fun, harvesting it over... and over... and over is a chore.
Welcome to Minecraft. Everything nice that you need isn't satisfied through instant gratification. You need to work to get what you desire. Although Books may be more expensive and time consuming to make now, for the first time in two years they actually have a solid use for them outside of aesthetics (or the single book needed for an Enchantment Table).
You'll eventually find more uses for books, such as getting enchantments beyond level 5.
Personally I've used them to create a nice library-type room, which with this change would've required me to raise and kill several hundred cows at least. Even without the leather requirement, it took me days to complete (and I'm talking "real" days here). While I wouldn't say work is "bad", there comes a point where it's no longer "fun", and that is a problem - cows don't grow quickly, and won't even breed without your constant direct input.
Frankly I quite like the idea of crafting leather from zombie materials, as even without the book requirement it's a bit too much of a hassle to get. In the time one can make a decent cow farm they'll've probably started bringing in decent amounts of iron already making leather armour completely impractical.
I play Minecraft quite casually, and my single player maps have never contained large-scale farming or resource harvesting, so the extra ingredient needed for books doesn't particularly bother me. But since I don't keep dogs in-game (their 'hurt' noises upset me) I have no use for rotten flesh, so a recipe like that would be welcome! That said, it would make leather almost too easy to collect so I'd also be in favor of making pigs yield more meat, and cows less meat but more leather.
Welcome to Minecraft. Everything nice that you need isn't satisfied through instant gratification. You need to work to get what you desire. Although Books may be more expensive and time consuming to make now, for the first time in two years they actually have a solid use for them outside of aesthetics (or the single book needed for an Enchantment Table).
What train of thought led you to believe getting bookshelves as of now is instant gratification? You have to wait for the sugarcane farm and gather wood. It's not instant gratification.
While I do not mind having leather as a new crafting ingredient for books, I will admit how having to partition a leather supply, even one continually refilled through farming, can be somewhat inconvenient (at least in my case).
I'm in the process of farming leather for cheap, dispensable leather armor and I have noticed that it is rather difficult to produce a good deal of it even in a relatively long period of time. I feel that leather armor is a great thing to use as a disposable defense when one has to go leave one's base for a quick dip in the nearby mine, especially when you can easily throw on a Lvl. 1 enchantment on each armor piece. Having leather as a new ingredient for books would only make it more difficult for a player to stock up on surplus armor.
Again, I don't really care if I'm going to have farm a while longer, but even one leather per book can become a few dozen when a player needs to make enough bookshelves for an enchanting room. Thankfully, this doesn't seem to matter much since books and by extension, bookshelves, really only need to be crafted once. I don't wish to end this with a tangential remark, but I feel the real question is: Why hasn't Jeb made saddles craftable with leather? It would seem like the logical thing to do.
I think most of you are missing my point of this post. Bookshelves are already very material intensive block. Adding 3 more leather per block to craft is a very expensive. Especially when you're looking to craft thousands upon thousands of bookshelves for legit SMP builds.
I don't want to have to afk/grind for an hour for half a stack of leather only to make 10 blocks with it. And I have a few times already. This is, I think, more difficult then the game developers are intending. It's a decorative block not a full suit of diamond armor.
i also like the new crafting recipe, but either cows should drop more leather, and pigs should drop more pork, or rotten flesh should be cooked into leather.
Oh boy, not all of us can rack up a successful cow farm. Some of us are fraidy cats that run home when the sun goes down. I for one hate the new recipe, to make a library in my awesome home, I had to get 38 stacks of sugar cane and a couple of stacks of planks T_T. I like the rotten flesh idea, it should be smelted into cooked rotten flesh though, just half a drumstick of food replenishing but no poisoning (heat usually kills poison) and be able to craft 4 of those into "zombie leather" (sort of like charcoal.)
I... I don't really see the point here. I mean really, rotten flesh? It's name practically indicates that is is supposed to be pointless. "Rotten".
It's good game design to not have useless, pointless items like Rotten Flesh. Those types of items deserve practicality.
My favorite example is Slime Balls. They were added into the game a year (more? I forget) before Pistons were added, and for a time, they served no purpose. With Pistons, Slime Balls became a vital resource for anyone building big piston projects.
Books requiring Leather can be Rotten Flesh's time to shine, just as Pistons were Slime ball's.
Cows should always drop at least one leather with a chance to drop more then one. Also a drop increase or you refine raw leather into leather chunks that can be used to make books and armor and what not. As it stands now you have to grind far to many cows in order to make an enchanting room and leather armor is not viable with the current drop rate. Even before you had to breed cows and you could indiscriminately slaughter them it was hard to keep enough leather around for armor.
So Solutions:
More leather from cows
Craft rotten flesh into usable leather.
More books from single leather, either through sub dividing the leather or just getting more books out of the current or a modified recipe (more paper).
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It's good game design to not have useless, pointless items like Rotten Flesh. Those types of items deserve practicality.
Books requiring Leather can be Rotten Flesh's time to shine, just as Pistons were Slime ball's.
But really... rotten flesh? I could understand, say, pigs also dropping leather. I don't know, you can eat rotten flesh, you can feed it to dogs, but cooking rotten flesh to get leather. That seems at least a little silly, doesn't it? I think you're pulling a little too much from terraria here, but at least they had no other way to get to get leather.
Fair question. The game is immersive: some people get startled by spiders and endermen made of rectangles; I sympathize with the imaginary animals that aren't hurting anyone. When possible, I find it more fun to act kind of like myself in games (Minecraft, Zelda, Final Fantasy, etc.).
You know what's fun. Lighting them on fire.
You should try it.
Watch them run around screaming in pain
It's so invigorating.
You would be horrible at Dwarf Fortress...
http://www.minecraft...crafters-guild/
It's much easier to find iron
Welcome to Minecraft. Everything nice that you need isn't satisfied through instant gratification. You need to work to get what you desire. Although Books may be more expensive and time consuming to make now, for the first time in two years they actually have a solid use for them outside of aesthetics (or the single book needed for an Enchantment Table).
Personally I've used them to create a nice library-type room, which with this change would've required me to raise and kill several hundred cows at least. Even without the leather requirement, it took me days to complete (and I'm talking "real" days here). While I wouldn't say work is "bad", there comes a point where it's no longer "fun", and that is a problem - cows don't grow quickly, and won't even breed without your constant direct input.
Frankly I quite like the idea of crafting leather from zombie materials, as even without the book requirement it's a bit too much of a hassle to get. In the time one can make a decent cow farm they'll've probably started bringing in decent amounts of iron already making leather armour completely impractical.
I had a mod that added that! It was veeery useful. I had full leather armor on most of the time after that.
What train of thought led you to believe getting bookshelves as of now is instant gratification? You have to wait for the sugarcane farm and gather wood. It's not instant gratification.
I... I don't really see the point here. I mean really, rotten flesh? It's name practically indicates that is is supposed to be pointless. "Rotten".
http://www.minecraft...crafters-guild/
I'm in the process of farming leather for cheap, dispensable leather armor and I have noticed that it is rather difficult to produce a good deal of it even in a relatively long period of time. I feel that leather armor is a great thing to use as a disposable defense when one has to go leave one's base for a quick dip in the nearby mine, especially when you can easily throw on a Lvl. 1 enchantment on each armor piece. Having leather as a new ingredient for books would only make it more difficult for a player to stock up on surplus armor.
Again, I don't really care if I'm going to have farm a while longer, but even one leather per book can become a few dozen when a player needs to make enough bookshelves for an enchanting room. Thankfully, this doesn't seem to matter much since books and by extension, bookshelves, really only need to be crafted once. I don't wish to end this with a tangential remark, but I feel the real question is: Why hasn't Jeb made saddles craftable with leather? It would seem like the logical thing to do.
I don't want to have to afk/grind for an hour for half a stack of leather only to make 10 blocks with it. And I have a few times already. This is, I think, more difficult then the game developers are intending. It's a decorative block not a full suit of diamond armor.
Check it out!
also, bookshelves should be able to hold written books
My favorite example is Slime Balls. They were added into the game a year (more? I forget) before Pistons were added, and for a time, they served no purpose. With Pistons, Slime Balls became a vital resource for anyone building big piston projects.
Books requiring Leather can be Rotten Flesh's time to shine, just as Pistons were Slime ball's.
So Solutions:
More leather from cows
Craft rotten flesh into usable leather.
More books from single leather, either through sub dividing the leather or just getting more books out of the current or a modified recipe (more paper).
Playing Minecraft since [Friday, March 19, 2010, 9:20:21 PM] (First indev world save)
But really... rotten flesh? I could understand, say, pigs also dropping leather. I don't know, you can eat rotten flesh, you can feed it to dogs, but cooking rotten flesh to get leather. That seems at least a little silly, doesn't it? I think you're pulling a little too much from terraria here, but at least they had no other way to get to get leather.
http://www.minecraft...crafters-guild/