Everything in this game defies logic. The mere fact you can go to the Nether and not die immediately defies logic if the Nether is so hot that it evaporates water instantly. The fact that flammable materials do not burn unless close to fire/lava in this "Hell" defies logic.
It defies logic in terms of what the entire concept of the Nether is.
The entire concept of the Nether is that it is a very hot and harsh climate, therefore it makes sense that water would evaporate in the Nether. Water evaporating keeps the concept of the Nether consistant and therefore it it makes sense to not be able to place ice and have water in the Nether.
To contradict MC's entire concept of the Nether thus far does defy logic and would be illogical.
I'm not saying "we shd ttly hav watr n teh nthr guiz". I want to have a discussion on why Nether water is a bad thing, and why it should be kept out of the game and all I'm getting is a bunch of people who think the Nether is hard.
That's not how we sound in the suggestions forum.
Anyway, no. No water in the Nether makes it different from the Overworld, and different is good.
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Depends of your luck, in my case take more time get Feather Falling than Silk Touch, right now on multiplayer i have 6 silk touch pickaxes and only 1 feather falling boots and i am sure took me +20 boots to get it and make a blaze farm takes more time, resources and risks, is not like make a regular spawner trap where all you have to do is use a few torches and water.
It is luck based, but Silk Touch is hard as all hell for me to get, and when I do get it, it's only at the max chance on Diamond tools (Level 44) which makes it take forever to accomplish.
I don't enchant boots nearly as much as I do tools though, so maybe I'm underestimating how hard it is to get Feather Falling. Armor just lasts forever in comparison to tools, you know?
Btw too much multiquotes, you are clearly trolling,
I never troll. I'm just a "heavily opinionated rock", to quote a friend.
I like to argue about things like these on video game forums.
there is nothing you can do here more than pick a fight with random people, if you actually care about this go to tweet jeb, if he don't care there is nothing you can do more than use mods, i want cocoa trees really bad but i am not making a topic to annoying people with it.
I probably should do that.
I'm just not sure he'll reply, so I'd also like to convert some others to agree that we should be able to somehow place water in the Nether.
It defies logic in terms of what the entire concept of the Nether is.
The entire concept of the Nether is that it is a very hot and harsh climate, therefore it makes sense that water would evaporate in the Nether. Water evaporating keeps the concept of the Nether consistant and therefore it it makes sense to not be able to place ice and have water in the Nether.
To contradict MC's entire concept of the Nether thus far does defy logic and would be illogical.
Yes, it makes sense that you could not place regular water in the Nether, nor would regular Ice produce water when broken, but could you really say that for something like really, really, really cold water?
The mechanics for producing water in the Nether have not been decided, remember.
It's very possible to work water into the Nether logicially.
What if, going by my "Glacial Ice" suggestion, there is a really cold block that releases really cold water that flows from the block itself?
It could be reasoned that since that block is so damn cold, it is capable of giving off cold flowing water in a really hot enviroment like the Nether for a certain distance until it evaporates at the limit of the water.
It's a discussion relevant to the most recent Snapshot.
I may be opinionated and I'm guaranteed to fight for my opinion, but doesn't mean it's not a discussion.
Yes, it makes sense that you could not place regular water in the Nether, nor would regular Ice produce water when broken, but could you really say that for something like really, really, really cold water?
What if, going by my "Glacial Ice" suggestion, there is a really cold block that releases really cold water that flows from the block itself?
It could be reasoned that since that block is so damn cold, it is capable of giving off cold running water in a really hot enviroment like the Nether for a certain distance until it evaporates at the limit of the water.
It doesn't matter how cold it is because it would never be cold enough to not evaporate. In order for it to not evaporate the ice would have to be so cold that it would cool the Nether down to the temperature of liquid water.
and 1 cube of ice is infinitesimal compared to all of the Nether. Try heating your oven to 200 degrees and putting a really, really, cold ice cube in it and see if it evaporates, or if it cools your oven down instead.
It doesn't matter how cold it is because it would never be cold enough to not evaporate. In order for it to not evaporate the ice would have to be so cold that it would cool the Nether down to the temperature of liquid water.
and 1 cube of ice is infinitesimal compared to all of the Nether. Try heating your oven to 200 degrees and putting a really, really, cold ice cube in it and see if it evaporates, or if it cools your oven down instead.
It wouldn't have to change the temperature of the entire Nether.
It could do a local change in temperature.
If you put an ice cube in an oven, the area where the ice cube was will be cooler than the rest of it, even by a single degree. Temporarily, of course, since this is real life we're talking about, but since this is Minecraft, where we can make infinite water springs from two cubic meters of water and only two parts of the enviroment are affected by gravity, it would not be much of a stretch for the "Glacial Ice" block to not melt and continuously give off cold and water.
But, it's not because it would be inconsistant with the entire concept of the Nether thus far like I already explained.
"Temporarily, of course, since this is real life we're talking about"
But even if it lasts for a millisecond, that water will cool down the part of the oven it is in temporary.
It's like saying that, if I poured a bucket of water on a hot sidewalk, the part of the sidewalk I poured the water on wouldn't be cooler than the rest of the sidewalk.
"Temporarily, of course, since this is real life we're talking about"
But even if it lasts for a millisecond, that water will cool down the part of the oven it is in temporary.
It's like saying that, if I poured a bucket of water on a hot sidewalk, the part of the sidewalk I poured the water on wouldn't be cooler than the rest of the sidewalk.
heat behaves much differentlly in a closed enviorment like an oven or the Nether then it would in an opened enviorment like "outside on the sidewalk." and you are also comparing cooling down an object versus all of the air in this enclosed space, which isn't a good comparion either. Those two things behave differently as well too, so it isn't a fair comparion.
STOP TALKING ABOUT REALISM AND LOGIC. IT DOESN'T MATTER.
What matters is game balance and fun.
and I don't think it would be balanced or fun to be able to get water in the nether in survival, and it seems that a lot of people agree with me. In creative mode, it would be fine, but not in survival.
heat behaves much differentlly in a closed enviorment like an oven or the Nether then it would in an opened enviorment like "outside on the sidewalk." and you are also comparing cooling down an object versus all of the air in this enclosed space, which isn't a good comparion either. Those two things behave differently as well too, so it isn't a fair comparion.
So, you're saying that in real life, that an ice cube in a hot, enclosed enviroment, won't have any effect on the temperature on the specific point where the ice cube is, even if that effect lasts a millisecond?
I'm curious. Could you provide sources to back that up? I'm not saying you're wrong, I just never heard of that.
So, you're saying that in real life, that an ice cube in a hot, enclosed enviroment, won't have any effect on the temperature on the specific point where the ice cube is, even if that effect lasts a millisecond?
I'm curious. Could you provide sources to back that up? I'm not saying you're wrong, I just never heard of that.
The temperature of the ice cube will rise and the temperature of the air will cool down until a equlibrium (balance) between the two temperatures is reached, however the ice cube will not be cold enough to alter the temperature. This is due to the fact that the air is so hot and the enclosed area is very large. There is much more air to cool down than there is for ice to heat up. This causes the ice cube to evaporate.
Also when the ice cube evaporates the cold from the ice will be evenly dispersed throughout (spread out through) the hot air, but like I said there isn't enough ice to make any difference in temperature.
I don't know specifically where I could find you a source on that... google? wikipedia?
All I know is that you will not be able to find a source that will contradict what I said.
The temperature of the ice cube will rise and the temperature of the air will cool down until a equlibrium between the two temperatures is reached, however the ice cube will not be cold enough to alter the temperature. This is due to the fact that the air is so hot and the enclosed area is very large. There is much more air to cool down than there is for ice to heat up. This causes the ice cube to evaporate.
But that does not say anything about how the immediate area of the oven directly underneath the ice cube would be affected.
Would it really have no effect on the temperature of that area? None at all?
I don't know specifically where I could find you a source on that... google? wikipedia?
All I know is that you will not be able to find a source that will contradict what I said.
Yeah, I likely won't because I can't find them in the first place because I'm not sure what to search for.
When the ice cube evaporates the cold from the ice will be evenly dispersed throughout (spread out through) the hot air, but like I said there isn't enough ice to make any difference in temperature.
When the ice cube evaporates the cold from the ice will be evenly dispersed throughout (spread out through) the hot air, but like I said there isn't enough ice to make any difference in temperature.
I'm not asking about how much of an impact that single ice cube would have on the entire oven.
I'm asking about the effect that placing an ice cube on "floor" of the oven would have on the area of the "floor" that the ice is in contact with.
I'm not asking about how much of an impact that single ice cube would have on the entire oven.
I'm asking about the effect that placing an ice cube on "floor" of the oven would have on the area of the "floor" that the ice is in contact with.
It would lower the temperature by MINUSCULE amounts. It wouldn't break anything or change much. Same with water in the nether. The temperature in there is presumably much higher than the overworld.
Of course, I can foresee you making a point about the temperature being too high for a human to survive in and what would be the temperature when the water evaporates.
Of course, I can foresee you making a point about not thinking of that, effectively making this a contradiction, but this isn't important.
He's thought of it. It's been mentioned more times then I care to count now. Instant evaporation would require ambient temperatures well in excess of 100C. Of course, regardless of the nether's temperature, both Steve (and water) are quite happy to sit directly next to lava - there's no proper application of convection in the game.
QuipCloud, the idea is that in terms of MineCraft, anyone who sticks at it long enough is going to eventually reach "expert" levels. The goal is to put a method into the progess tree that will be available to these players, but inaccessible to newbies.
Some people (eg me) have colonised the nether, and can live there indefinitely. Rotten meat is a perfectly viable food source and in ready supply (especially when you consider that "killing things" is my main reason to spend any length of time in there). The one thing that's lacking is convenience, in that to stay there comfortably you need to go back for stone/iron... But usually I get bored well before that happens.
(Though as I have water in my nether, I suppose I could build a cobble factory. Hmm. Curious to try it just to see how fast I can haul it in, as I've never needed to make one before.)
Re a method to get water in there - the most obvious one seems to be to craft a water bucket with a fire resist potion. I'm kidding, of course, but it got me thinking - what would happen if you drank from that source...? Infinite fire resist potions? Obviously overpowered by any standard; but the idea of a potion source block does sound pretty cool to me, even if only as a creative-only block. Think fountains that dispense healing when you swim through them, or poison anyone that falls in. That sort of thing.
More relevant to the subject at hand, I'm quite happy with the original "silk touch" requirement, but if you want to be fancy about it I suppose you could go with something like a magic cauldron. The crafting requirements for this would be hefty, though having it furthermore require materials to get nether-"compatible" water out of it (like a forge) is an option. There's also the matter of whether you'd end up with something that can go in a bucket, or something that'd be placed like an ice block.
Now you are just acting like an ignorant brat. I mean really, stop. Stop replying with sarcastic comments and start making some actual counterarguments to criticisms.
The point is that the nether needs to be difficult, and it needs to be difficult to get the stuff that you get from the nether. Letting you place water would, as you said, making it easier to farm the nether mobs, which would make it too easy to get those items, hence removing the difficulty of the nether.
There are dozens of designs for blaze farms that still work. Short of the Enderdragon, there are ways to farm all mobs with or without water. This point is essentially moot since someone can go through the trouble of just rigging up pistons or other systems.
In addition, it would allow you to save yourself from fire and lava, making the nether easier even more.
Erm... Anyone who's been playing the game longer than a month or two rarely falls into lava unless they're doing something stupid (digging under their feet), and usually there aren't enough blazes around anywhere to do enough fire damage to kill a person with fire alone. And on both points, there are enchantments which reduce fire and lava damage significantly. For everyone other than noobs, it wasn't an issue in the first place.
Given that we'd be talking about water from an ice block, it is unlikely this situation would even apply. You can't place a block of ice after you've fallen into lava and there are few people who are mindful enough to carry around a stack of ice to place and break if they should catch on fire from a blaze.
The reality is this... Every single challenge that might present itself to the player can be built around or solved through their own ingenuity and use of resources. EVERY CHALLENGE. Difficulty in this game is based more on just knowing how to use things to your advantage, and little else. While adding something new might increase or decrease what is available to meet those challenges, the game itself is based around eventually overcoming them. Having an enchantment that is quite hard to get, requiring dozens of hours killing things in order to add a new resource to meet a challenge IS how pretty much the entire game is setup. The whole aspect of progression in the game is about working towards some tool or ability which allows you to deal with something that was a challenge before.
Saying that it makes the game easier is like saying that having access to a bow makes the game easier. It may, but the degree that it might make the game easier is disproportionate to the amount of effort that might be needed to get one initially, or have a stock of arrows. Instead of complaining that x makes some minor aspect of the game easier, you should be suggesting new things that can be added to make the game harder, and in this case, making the nether have some function other than being some place that people rarely go to just farm glowstone.
If anything, I'm leaning towards a new block found somewhere in the Overworld, rarely, that can only be obtained with "Silk Touch II" which is only available on level 50 enchanted Gold tools.
But hey, you can go on thinking "omg ths gui wntz 2 us bkts n teh nthr". Kinda funny.
If you want a new block then you are no longer talking about water in the Nether now are you.
Nah, I'd rather it become an official thing rather than abusing an unintended side-effect.
It's your loss. Think about it, this is likely your only chance to get water in the Nether. It's a "hell" dimension. In what interpretation of a "hell world" with lava and fire have you ever seen water in it? Very few if any.
If you are going to stick to this kind of "minecraft logic", then EXACTLY the same rules should apply to deserts. The entire concept of deserts is that they SHOULD be hot, harsh and extremely dry - to the point where they SHOULD be unhabitable (maybe with the exception of very rare and very localised oasis).
And guess what? They 100% contradict to this rules. Numbers of bases I've seen in the middle of the damn desert is a f***** Legion.
A desert isn't as extreme of an enviorment as the Nether.
There are many deserts irl that are habitable.
There isn't anything wrong with my logic. My logic is about consistancy. The Nether's entire concept is that it is an extremely hot, dangerous, and harsh enviorment - Therefore, no water.
This alone is enough reason to not allow water in the Nether.
But, what you are suggesting is also illogical because it is too hot for water to be place in the Nether so, it makes no sense to be able to place ice that turns into water.
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Then of course there are balancing isuess. Water in the Nether greatly decreases its difficulty and allows you the option of living there permantly, very easily.
Some people (eg me) have colonised the nether, and can live there indefinitely. Rotten meat is a perfectly viable food source and in ready supply (especially when you consider that "killing things" is my main reason to spend any length of time in there). The one thing that's lacking is convenience, in that to stay there comfortably you need to go back for stone/iron... But usually I get bored well before that happens.
1) Once you have water you can have farms and a good realiable food source.
2) Water will allow you to make better, more efficient mob farms. I have no problem with mob farms, actually I am all for them - but, like you said you do not need water to make one, but it is more difficult.
3) It is much easier to get around. All you have to do is pour water onto the many lava lakes and walk across. Now the Nether is very easy to explore and you have no need for fire resistance potions that can be obtained in the Nether. This is the worst of all.
Saying that it makes the game easier is like saying that having access to a bow makes the game easier.
My last 3 points also relate to my 1st point in regards to consistancy. The Nether is a harsh eviorment - living there should be more challenging than in the Overworld. Period.
Also, your comparison is a bad one. A bow does not allow you to master an entire World, by greatly altering the enviorment. In fact, there is no instance in MC where this is the case for any item.
All of your arguments have just been proven invalid.
So you're pillaring up to get glowstone. Suddenly, a ghast spawns! You attempt to shoot it down, but the ghast already got a shot at you and knocked you off your pillar. You're now dead. Has this never happened to you? Because this has happened to me more then I can count.
Last I checked, it was fairly easy to track and reflect ghast balls.
At least enough to keep them from punting you off pillars.
Then again, some people thing MW3 is a new and original game that requires skill to play...
It defies logic in terms of what the entire concept of the Nether is.
The entire concept of the Nether is that it is a very hot and harsh climate, therefore it makes sense that water would evaporate in the Nether. Water evaporating keeps the concept of the Nether consistant and therefore it it makes sense to not be able to place ice and have water in the Nether.
To contradict MC's entire concept of the Nether thus far does defy logic and would be illogical.
That's not how we sound in the suggestions forum.
Anyway, no. No water in the Nether makes it different from the Overworld, and different is good.
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I don't enchant boots nearly as much as I do tools though, so maybe I'm underestimating how hard it is to get Feather Falling. Armor just lasts forever in comparison to tools, you know?
I never troll. I'm just a "heavily opinionated rock", to quote a friend.
I like to argue about things like these on video game forums.
I probably should do that.
I'm just not sure he'll reply, so I'd also like to convert some others to agree that we should be able to somehow place water in the Nether.
Yes, it makes sense that you could not place regular water in the Nether, nor would regular Ice produce water when broken, but could you really say that for something like really, really, really cold water?
The mechanics for producing water in the Nether have not been decided, remember.
It's very possible to work water into the Nether logicially.
What if, going by my "Glacial Ice" suggestion, there is a really cold block that releases really cold water that flows from the block itself?
It could be reasoned that since that block is so damn cold, it is capable of giving off cold flowing water in a really hot enviroment like the Nether for a certain distance until it evaporates at the limit of the water.
It's a discussion relevant to the most recent Snapshot.
I may be opinionated and I'm guaranteed to fight for my opinion, but doesn't mean it's not a discussion.
It doesn't matter how cold it is because it would never be cold enough to not evaporate. In order for it to not evaporate the ice would have to be so cold that it would cool the Nether down to the temperature of liquid water.
and 1 cube of ice is infinitesimal compared to all of the Nether. Try heating your oven to 200 degrees and putting a really, really, cold ice cube in it and see if it evaporates, or if it cools your oven down instead.
But, it's not because it would be inconsistant with the entire concept of the Nether thus far like I already explained.
It could do a local change in temperature.
If you put an ice cube in an oven, the area where the ice cube was will be cooler than the rest of it, even by a single degree. Temporarily, of course, since this is real life we're talking about, but since this is Minecraft, where we can make infinite water springs from two cubic meters of water and only two parts of the enviroment are affected by gravity, it would not be much of a stretch for the "Glacial Ice" block to not melt and continuously give off cold and water.
It could be made to work.
False.
But even if it lasts for a millisecond, that water will cool down the part of the oven it is in temporary.
It's like saying that, if I poured a bucket of water on a hot sidewalk, the part of the sidewalk I poured the water on wouldn't be cooler than the rest of the sidewalk.
heat behaves much differentlly in a closed enviorment like an oven or the Nether then it would in an opened enviorment like "outside on the sidewalk." and you are also comparing cooling down an object versus all of the air in this enclosed space, which isn't a good comparion either. Those two things behave differently as well too, so it isn't a fair comparion.
STOP TALKING ABOUT REALISM AND LOGIC. IT DOESN'T MATTER.
What matters is game balance and fun.
and I don't think it would be balanced or fun to be able to get water in the nether in survival, and it seems that a lot of people agree with me. In creative mode, it would be fine, but not in survival.
I'm curious. Could you provide sources to back that up? I'm not saying you're wrong, I just never heard of that.
The temperature of the ice cube will rise and the temperature of the air will cool down until a equlibrium (balance) between the two temperatures is reached, however the ice cube will not be cold enough to alter the temperature. This is due to the fact that the air is so hot and the enclosed area is very large. There is much more air to cool down than there is for ice to heat up. This causes the ice cube to evaporate.
Also when the ice cube evaporates the cold from the ice will be evenly dispersed throughout (spread out through) the hot air, but like I said there isn't enough ice to make any difference in temperature.
I don't know specifically where I could find you a source on that... google? wikipedia?
All I know is that you will not be able to find a source that will contradict what I said.
Would it really have no effect on the temperature of that area? None at all?
Yeah, I likely won't because I can't find them in the first place because I'm not sure what to search for.
I'm asking about the effect that placing an ice cube on "floor" of the oven would have on the area of the "floor" that the ice is in contact with.
It would lower the temperature by MINUSCULE amounts. It wouldn't break anything or change much. Same with water in the nether. The temperature in there is presumably much higher than the overworld.
Of course, I can foresee you making a point about the temperature being too high for a human to survive in and what would be the temperature when the water evaporates.
Of course, I can foresee you making a point about not thinking of that, effectively making this a contradiction, but this isn't important.
QuipCloud, the idea is that in terms of MineCraft, anyone who sticks at it long enough is going to eventually reach "expert" levels. The goal is to put a method into the progess tree that will be available to these players, but inaccessible to newbies.
Some people (eg me) have colonised the nether, and can live there indefinitely. Rotten meat is a perfectly viable food source and in ready supply (especially when you consider that "killing things" is my main reason to spend any length of time in there). The one thing that's lacking is convenience, in that to stay there comfortably you need to go back for stone/iron... But usually I get bored well before that happens.
(Though as I have water in my nether, I suppose I could build a cobble factory. Hmm. Curious to try it just to see how fast I can haul it in, as I've never needed to make one before.)
Re a method to get water in there - the most obvious one seems to be to craft a water bucket with a fire resist potion. I'm kidding, of course, but it got me thinking - what would happen if you drank from that source...? Infinite fire resist potions? Obviously overpowered by any standard; but the idea of a potion source block does sound pretty cool to me, even if only as a creative-only block. Think fountains that dispense healing when you swim through them, or poison anyone that falls in. That sort of thing.
More relevant to the subject at hand, I'm quite happy with the original "silk touch" requirement, but if you want to be fancy about it I suppose you could go with something like a magic cauldron. The crafting requirements for this would be hefty, though having it furthermore require materials to get nether-"compatible" water out of it (like a forge) is an option. There's also the matter of whether you'd end up with something that can go in a bucket, or something that'd be placed like an ice block.
There are dozens of designs for blaze farms that still work. Short of the Enderdragon, there are ways to farm all mobs with or without water. This point is essentially moot since someone can go through the trouble of just rigging up pistons or other systems.
Erm... Anyone who's been playing the game longer than a month or two rarely falls into lava unless they're doing something stupid (digging under their feet), and usually there aren't enough blazes around anywhere to do enough fire damage to kill a person with fire alone. And on both points, there are enchantments which reduce fire and lava damage significantly. For everyone other than noobs, it wasn't an issue in the first place.
Given that we'd be talking about water from an ice block, it is unlikely this situation would even apply. You can't place a block of ice after you've fallen into lava and there are few people who are mindful enough to carry around a stack of ice to place and break if they should catch on fire from a blaze.
The reality is this... Every single challenge that might present itself to the player can be built around or solved through their own ingenuity and use of resources. EVERY CHALLENGE. Difficulty in this game is based more on just knowing how to use things to your advantage, and little else. While adding something new might increase or decrease what is available to meet those challenges, the game itself is based around eventually overcoming them. Having an enchantment that is quite hard to get, requiring dozens of hours killing things in order to add a new resource to meet a challenge IS how pretty much the entire game is setup. The whole aspect of progression in the game is about working towards some tool or ability which allows you to deal with something that was a challenge before.
Saying that it makes the game easier is like saying that having access to a bow makes the game easier. It may, but the degree that it might make the game easier is disproportionate to the amount of effort that might be needed to get one initially, or have a stock of arrows. Instead of complaining that x makes some minor aspect of the game easier, you should be suggesting new things that can be added to make the game harder, and in this case, making the nether have some function other than being some place that people rarely go to just farm glowstone.
You can create obisidian structure in the overworld now. Just go to lava level find a lake and use a bucket to turn the whole thing to obisidian.
If you want a new block then you are no longer talking about water in the Nether now are you.
These potions and enchantments are much more difficult to obtain than water is currently. Also they run out over time. Water would last forever.
It's your loss. Think about it, this is likely your only chance to get water in the Nether. It's a "hell" dimension. In what interpretation of a "hell world" with lava and fire have you ever seen water in it? Very few if any.
No effect. I already told you.
A desert isn't as extreme of an enviorment as the Nether.
There are many deserts irl that are habitable.
There isn't anything wrong with my logic. My logic is about consistancy. The Nether's entire concept is that it is an extremely hot, dangerous, and harsh enviorment - Therefore, no water.
This alone is enough reason to not allow water in the Nether.
But, what you are suggesting is also illogical because it is too hot for water to be place in the Nether so, it makes no sense to be able to place ice that turns into water.
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Then of course there are balancing isuess. Water in the Nether greatly decreases its difficulty and allows you the option of living there permantly, very easily.
1) Once you have water you can have farms and a good realiable food source.
2) Water will allow you to make better, more efficient mob farms. I have no problem with mob farms, actually I am all for them - but, like you said you do not need water to make one, but it is more difficult.
3) It is much easier to get around. All you have to do is pour water onto the many lava lakes and walk across. Now the Nether is very easy to explore and you have no need for fire resistance potions that can be obtained in the Nether. This is the worst of all.
My last 3 points also relate to my 1st point in regards to consistancy. The Nether is a harsh eviorment - living there should be more challenging than in the Overworld. Period.
Also, your comparison is a bad one. A bow does not allow you to master an entire World, by greatly altering the enviorment. In fact, there is no instance in MC where this is the case for any item.
All of your arguments have just been proven invalid.
Last I checked, it was fairly easy to track and reflect ghast balls.
At least enough to keep them from punting you off pillars.
Then again, some people thing MW3 is a new and original game that requires skill to play...